Taturo Atzu titled his rooftop installation ' The Garden Which Is the Nearest to God '. But does this garden bring us closer to God? How can art bring about a religious experience, or otherwise provide meaning? Several speakers this evening reflected on the tension -or rather the merging- of the sacred and secular in visual art. They included Jan-jaap Stegeman , theologian and pioneer of the Oude Kerk congregation, artist Hans van Houwelingen , philosopher Reine Rek and researcher Pooyan Tamimi Arab , whose work includes contemporary religious diversity and how it manifests itself in architecture and design. The conversation was moderated by Michiel van Iersel and Radna Rumping , and began with a music recording by Simeon ten Holt, contributed by Jan-Jaap Stegeman.